Q: What Do I Do If Someone Sells A Script With Same Idea As The One I Just Wrote?
Posted by Craig Mazin on 22 Mar 2006 at 11:14 pm | Tagged as: The Craft & Trade
A: What Do You Mean If?

The Hundredth
Monkey…I remember the phone call like it was yesterday. See, my partner and I had just gotten an actor attached to our first screenplay, the movie was greenlit, and there was an article in Variety. So when a guy called me about it at home, rookie me figured it was just some screenwriter-adoring reporter calling to lavish more attention upon moi.
Hah.
In fact, it was another screenwriter. A pissed off screenwriter, in fact, who found it rather “odd” that I had written a screenplay that was EXACTLY LIKE HIS!
EXACTLY!
See, mine was about an idiot who went to Mars on board a space shuttle, and his was about an idiot who went to Mars on board a space shuttle.
The similarities, you see, were astounding.
Now, honestly, I felt for the guy, but as Hyman Roth once said, this (cough) is the business (cough) we have chosen.
There are thousands of screenplays developed every year. Only a hundred or so will get made. Given that another thousand will get developed next year, and so forth and so on, it seems quite likely that the original screenplay you’re working on is not as original as you think. It’s mostly original, but somewhere, someone’s got something that’s at least a wee bit like it, and possibly a large bit like it.
Yes, that means the day after you finish the final rewrite on your spec script about three Dutch riflemen who track the Yeti across the Sahara, you’ll be in competition with another Dutch riflemen Yeti Sahara project.
It’s almost inevitable.
Call it The Hundredth Monkey phenomenon.
The story goes like this. Supposedly, a researcher was observing macaque monkeys washing sweet potatoes in the ocean. One monkey taught another how to do this. Then another taught another. The 99th monkey taught the 100th monkey how to do this, and then lo and behold, suddenly all the monkeys on the island instantly knew how to do this.
Critical mass had occurred. The idea had “caught on.” It was “out there.”
Of course, the hundredth monkey phenomenon is baloney.
Still, you will find that the sheer volume of screenwriting competition will be enough to duplicate your efforts. Don’t freak out. In fact, be happy. This is actually great news.
You want this.
If you are a good writer, nothing will elucidate your skill more than an excellent rendition of an idea twelve other people have tanked, kapish?
And if you hear that another studio is developing a similar project, and you intended to write something commercial, well…obviously you’re writing something commercial, right?
So take a deep breath. Good writing will win the day, and similar stories can easily co-exist. If Antz couldn’t kill A Bug’s Life, nothing’s going to kill your script.


It remind me a treatment I began to write 4 years ago. It was about a little boy who has an imaginary friend called Charly who kills his close friends and family and everybody thinks it’s the little boy who did it… Then, I watched “Hide & Seek” trailer… XD
Anyway, the Dreamworks/Pixar case is very interesting (Antz/A Bug’s Life ; Shark Tale/Finding Nemo ; Madagascar/The Wild), then we can consider the famous Deep Impact / Armageddon or Volcano/Dante’s Peak.
I don’t think audience cares about similar movies. They just want good stories. Then, when they like a movie, they like to watch a similar film IMO.
I forgot Scary Movie (Wayans) / Scary Movie (Seltzer & Friedberg) both bought by Miramax / Shriek if you know what I did last Friday the 13th.
This is good to hear, but it is pretty unnerving when you’re in the middle of a script that you’ve spent months on and you hear the announcement that something very similar is going into production. You all of the sudden feel so…unoriginal and thus, defeated.
I’m glad you addressed this. I needed to hear this to make myself feel better.
I once got rejected with a spec script for a TV show because, the person said, “I’m very familiar with the show…”
Well, the script I’d sent them was a script that had won a major contest, because of that win, they wanted to read it. Of course, shortly after I won that contest, the show did my exact idea. So, I knew at the time the show had done the idea, and yet, I still sent it. Because most people don’t watch every episode of every show, I figured (at the time) that it was probably pretty safe.
It really was frightening how close my spec and their episode was. But, when you have a specific world, there are going to be obvious choices one will make inside that world.
Now, the second part of the rejection quote, I assumed was going to be: “I’m very familiar with the show… and they already did this idea.”
But it wasn’t.
The rejection quote was: “I’m very familiar with the show… and they’d never do an episode like this.”
You can imagine the heartbreak I went through when I realized I script had just finished seemed very really overly similar to this movie called Stranger than Fiction, that should be out in theaters soon.
It’s depressing stuff; especially when you have an idea like that.
Pardon the typos, btw.
Dammit, Craig, how did you know about my Dutch riflemen Yeti Sahara project??
Expect a letter from my lawyers.
Dammit, Craig, how did you know about my Dutch riflemen Yeti Sahara project?
Expect a letter from my lawyers.
Sorry about the double-post…
(I’m tempted to try to play it off like an intentional riff about two “Steve Barrs” making the same joke about parallel development, but that would be way too meta.)
Feel free to delete. Thanks.
I’d be very surprised if some other scribe out there matched my concept (or if I inadvertently did this to someone else). If it does happen, I’ll probably jump off of a cliff. I can’t imagine what a cosmic blow that would be if it were true. I would like to believe that my concept is 100% original and not in the least bit derived… but who knows?
Maybe that’s one of the reasons why you can’t copyright an idea, but you can only copyright the execution of an idea. (Not to be conflated with patenting an idea for a product or a process.)
This happened to me quite a lot several years ago while pitching to TV episodics.
Often, I’d see the episode on TV a few weeks before my pitch…
Or, more likely, they’d reject my idea and do something very similar a year or two later.
(not that I’m remotely implying theft – not at all, but there are only so many things you can do within a given universe.)
It seems that while we as writers look down upon repeating stories, it seems that studios don’t, going but the number of similar movies that come out at around the same time.
Would it be worth continueing with the script and hoping that there are studios that are after similar stories?
I would imagine after Titanic hit it big, a few studios would have been desperate for any script that involved a love story set in a famous historical moment. Sadly, the best that was available seems to have been Pearl Habor. I wonder how many better scripts were thrown out the window for fear they were too similar to Titanic, but could still have been successful.
Still best if you’re the first monkey and get your project done before the 99th monkey gets wind of it.
i’m working on a script in which this psychologist tries to help a boy who claims to see dead people, and, in the end it turns out the psychologist was dead the whole time. it’s called ‘the really smart guy’. i hope nobody is developing anything similar
After you realize you’re on the right track… you try to sell the sucker while the other guy’s iron is hot. How many movies did we have about giant asteroids heading toward earth (we’re all doomed)? How many moies did we have about volcano eruptions? How many animated movies did we have about cute little ants reluctant to take charge in the face of crisis? Though you remember OUTBREAK, you may not remember that it was the “copy cat” movie of a Robert Redford / Jodie Foster flick called CRISIS IN THE HOT ZONE… because the original version crashed and burned before it was made. If one studio has a script, the other studio wants one, too.
Now, it’s up to the quality of your script. If your script with the same idea as the one that just sold for a million bucks sucks, no one will be interested. If it’s DEEP IMPACT, you may just have a deal.
I’ve always been on the other side of this – my HBO World Premier flick GRID RUNNERS had wrapped photography (and was featued in Sci Fi Entertainment Magazine) two months before Paramount bought VIRTUOSITY. My motorcycle riding kung fu vampire hunter flick NIGHT HUNTER had aired as a CineMax Premiere 3 years before New Line made BLADE. Did my scripts stop these other guys from making theor films? Nope.
If you’ve got a great script, nothing should stop you.
The other side of this is when Producers and Writers actually believe their idea has been stolen.
Not in the, “I sent my script to HBO and a year later the came out with the idea…” No, I know some writers and producers who say things like, Pirates of the Caribbean was my idea! Disney stole it. I don’t know how but they stole it!
That’s my favorite.
I was the idiot that tried to get SPACE INVADERS THE MOVIE made and you know what? INDEPENDENCE DAY was better. I’ve just come across some net controversy about the Matrix origins. I’ve never heard anyone mention it but I’m sure that 20-30 years ago DR WHO entered a virtual world on his homeplanet that was actually called the matrix! anyone else know this or am I the only sci-fi geek here?
Craig,
I’ve been lurking here for a few months, and I finally feel compelled to post a comment.
As it turns out, I know exactly what you’re talking about. Â I have been feeding Hollywood studios a steady stream of movie ideas (apparently telepathically) for years.
The first time was when I was a kid. My dad had this super-8 movie camera, and I decided to make my directorial debut.  To get around an acute shortage of willing actors, I crafted a story wherein my cat Pudding would star as a disguised visitor from another planet. Before I could finalize the contract details with Pudding’s agent, Disney announced “The Cat from Outer Space.” It was the first time I’d had a movie idea validated at the same instant that it was torn to shreds.
It turns out the Universe has a gift for foreshadowing.
Fast forward: as an adult, I decide, what the heck, I’m finally going to get serious about this whole “being a writer” thing. Â I enroll in creative writing courses, I buy every how-to book known to man, and I begin jotting down ideas and cultivating creative juices. Â I quickly discover that whenever I have a really good idea–a flash of inspiration, an authentic “ah ha!” moment–the telepathic Idea Snatchers come.
In a writing class, I create an outline for a thriller that kicks off with a guy answering a randomly ringing pay phone.  The teacher raves about it. Before I can write the thing, Fox announces they’ve bought a spec script called “Phone Booth” from Larry Cohen. Later, a friend and I come up with a concept for a gritty historical piece that we think would be perfect for Johnny Depp.  It covers a place and time in history that hasn’t been visited cinematically in a while, and we’re looking at it from a unique angle.  (Please, no one tell me how foolish it is to write a period piece on spec–I figured that one out for myself.) I’m deep into the writing process when Johnny Depp announces that he’s signed on to do… a gritty historical piece set in the exact time and place as our story.  With an eerily similar “unique” angle.
There are at least a half dozen other examples I could give you from personal experience. Â
Now, in my heart I know there is no such thing as telepathy.  I understand that the concept of “Idea Snatchers” is ridiculous. Yes, yadda yadda, if you put enough monkeys in front of word processors, eventually one of them will randomly type up an exact copy of “Hamlet.”  (And one of the other monkeys, who types faster, will beat the first monkey to market with an eerily similar story.) We can all laugh at the results of the random movements of molecules, and at the Universe’s wicked sense of humor.
But still… I am tempted, whenever I’m thinking about a new story idea, and certainly whenever I’m talking about one–I’m tempted to express myself in some kind of code, so as to confuse the Idea Snatchers.  I’ve not entirely ruled out an aluminum-foil brain cap similar to the one Joaquin Phoenix used in “Signs.”  Not that’s it’s needed, mind you. But just in case.
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I can’t get past the oceangoing monkey washing of the sweet potatoes. Certainly they tasted better after the saltwater marinade. The process also enhanced their shelf life in the great monkey pantry. Next time some asswipe steals your idea and sells it for six figures with points on the back end, why not add a layer of pecans and brown sugar, whip and serve with a nice graham cracker crust? Show this town some sweet potato pie and the kids’ll love your forever.
A Bug’s Life/Antz and Armageddon/Deep Impact are always cited, but weren’t the Disney films in development while Katzenberg was still there, and after leaving, he took those concepts with him to DreamWorks and developed their versions? It’s not as if those were cases of parallel development.
One of the more (in)famous examples of similar movies was the whole CARNOSAUR / JURASSIC PARK deal. Spielberg announces his movie and Roger Corman realizes he has a book he optioned years earlier. Spielberg spends $70M and takes forever to finish, but has the studio marketing machine going the whole time generating “Dino-fever.”
Corman spends $1.5M and gets CARNOSAUR into production right away. $4M gross and 3 sequels later (recycling footage and props from the original film), Corman is sitting on a nice little nest egg all based on the public’s want for dinosaur movies in anticipation of Jurassic Park.
Thank you for this post, Craig.
Back in 2003, I wrote a hilarious spoof of superhero movies. Two days after finishing my first draft, I read that “Scary Movie 4″ would focus on spoofing… superhero movies.
“SCARY Movie 4″??? Did I read that right? Yes, unfortunately I did. It wasn’t the first time I’d been monkeyed but it was the most painful one.
Then a few months later, you sold a spoof called “Superhero!” You monkeyed yourself! Is that possible? More likely, you wisely used a creative decision on SM4 to your advantage and salvaged your best material for a new deal.
I love how you pulled that off. I love this site. I look forward to monkeying others.
The monkey factor is one of many barbed wire fences around this town that sends one-idea people scurrying back to the trees.
Cheers to those who persevere through multiple monkeyings to get where they want to be.
I need to stop saying “monkey” now…
Heh, the screenplay I just finished has a similar project out there that was in development three years ago…
But that’s okay, because I don’t need to sell the screenplay to be happy. Getting other work based on the quality of my writing would make me happy as well.
TT:
Ouch. Sorry.
We really are making Superhero! though. Due out in ’07 come hell or high water.
No apology necessary. I do appreciate the “ouch” though. I neglected to mention the next part of the story…
The day after I read about SM4, I decided I could lick my wounds or move on to the next thing. I’d had so much fun writing my first spoof and I was still supercharged with the manic “any joke can work” vibe that I decided to write ANOTHER spoof (the genre of which I won’t mention, as this one may still have a shot someday).
My second one turned out even better, funnier, sharper — and the process was once again unbelievably fun. That script made me some new friends at various companies and confirmed for me some great lessons in versatility and resilience.
So thanks for being a part of that. Looking forward to “Superhero!”
Craig makes a very good career making point here. Keep writing. Don’t stop if you’re told your idea is similar, identical, whatever. No one will ever write your story exactly like you. No one can duplicate a story telepathically. (Can they rip off your sample script? Sure, as someone posted here and it happened to me early in my career with two sample tv scripts. Ah well, proof I knew what the fuck I was doing, right?) If you write well, you will sell. If you don’t sell, good writing will get you more work. Don’t be disheartened, keep on! Nothing worse than shelving idea after idea because someone talked you out of it. Then you have only let them take away your power and you are truly left with nothing. Screenwriter Bones http://www.screenwriterbones.blogspot.com
This reminds me of a tiff in my former writing group. Two guys had written thrillers with the same hook. They each swore up and down that the other stole “their” idea. They maintained this belief even after I pointed out that this specific danger to the planet had been covered in an episode of NOVA and on the cover of TIME magazine within the previous year.
Got out of that group shortly afterwards. But it’s important to realize that other writers are reading the same newspapers, magazines, books etc. that you are, and may well come up with the same story idea.
I heard an agent speaking at a seminar recently and she was talking about how the Monday morning meetings at studios consist of everyone talking about what the box office was over the weekend and them discussing “what do we have in the pipeline like that” about whatever the number one movie was. So, it seems to me, keep writing your idea. If your idea becomes a hit from a script that someone else wrote, all the studios are gonna be looking for another one just like it and then there you’ll be with your script ready for them to develop. (Hollywood is notorious for taking a hit movie and killing it to death with 50 million more just like it). 1) Your script will probably be better and 2)It would probably be anywhere from 6 mos to a year or so before your movie came out, so there’s some breathing room there for audiences to be ready for your movie.
I’m late to the party as usual, but usually I’m way too early–like when I wrote my script LEGACY in 1995, and got great comments on the writing but no one does anything having to do with religion, they told me. What, it’s exactly like the DaVinci Code–well that’s been done NOW!!! Ah, life in L.A.!!!
The worst line you ever wrote (albeit uncredited) was the marketing tag line for a Joe Pesci/Danny Glover vehicle to remain nameless: “Even the Fish Are Laughing”
The worst line you ever wrote (albeit uncredited) was the marketing tag line for a Joe Pesci/Danny Glover vehicle to remain nameless: “Even the Fish Are Laughing”
Bud “Jon” Nesbit:
Eat me!
I can’t believe my macaque-monkeys-washing-sweet-potatoes idea is out in the water. Curse you mazin.
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I am so glad I stumbled on this site. Since I finished the first draft of my movie, not only have I discovered a similar film already in production, but also a comic book with like material and the EXACT SAME TITLE! I was semi-depressed, but now I think I’ll finish it.
Yeah, it’s happened to me repeatedly. I’ve been teaching in the ghetto for twenty years, and my early teacher stories were like “The Substitute.” My current story seems to be very similar to the tv movie that aired last sunday called “The Ron Clark Story.” Mine has been workshopped and developed and rewritten about a million times. I have copyrights going back to 1989, but I wrote drafts years before that. So, my work predates just about all of them except for “To Sir With Love.” Oh well.
OK, but what do you do if a movie studio steals your idea and you see the website already up…?
I had an idea called “that’s the Way the cookie crumbles” about a war between junk food and health food in a kitchen….
I recently learned LGF lions gate films is developing animated movie about what happens when grocery stores lock up for the night involving food… http://foodfight.com/
Are my ideas too similar?
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